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My Mormon friends...you cannot "feel" your way into eternal life. In other words, human beings are imperfect and sinful so how can you trust your feelings alone? Great pains and sacrifices were taken by many to show you that God backs up what he says in the Bible. That's why actual places and people and other things are presented to you so that there is no mistaking God's existence. If you have a legitimate argument to the contrary then, please, back it up. You refute things that are proven (places like Jerusalem exist, for example). I believe in one God and the Bible and Christ as my Lord and Savior and I can back up what I say. How about you? For your own good, please consider what is being presented here. 

(yeah right, this is your video, might as well
contain all in favor for your side. right? hahahaha)

BOM vs Bible?
LOL! theyre meant to support each other,
so if u believe the bible is true, then BOM is true..
BOM is also witness to the truthfulness of Bible,
they compliment and support each other..
so i just wonder why you put VS?
ofcourse, to simply twist the mind of the truth seekers..
ah ah ah.. tsk tsk.. i smell sumthin..

snifff!....... snifff!..........
hmmmmmmm..
smells like JUST ANOTHER propaganda.
hahaha!

i know how these things work..
making a video with most evidences appealing to your side,
while not showing ALL the evidences and facts on all sides.
(sigh.. almost like any anti mormon video out there..)

more research please? or if you already knew about THE FACTS,
expose them more please?
than just exposing your disproving side.
i know you can do a lot better
if your REAL INTENT is to show the truth
and not just lift yourselves by putting others down
in a formal, scholarly, nice way.

WOWWW!
Now the bible needs to have archaeological proofs to be considered true.

Y O U - - - W A N T - - - S I G N S ?

"And when the people were gathered thick together,
he began to say,
THIS IS AN EVIL GENERATION: THEY SEEK A SIGN;
and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet."
-Luke 11:29 (KJV)

"And the Pharisees came forth,
and began to question with him,
seeking of him a sign from heaven, tempting him."
-Mark 8:11 (KJV)

"And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith,
WHY DOTH THIS GENERATION SEEK AFTER A SIGN?
verily I say unto you,
There shall no sign be given unto this generation."
-Mark 8:12 (KJV)

NOW I ASK YOU?
whats your difference from the SCHOLARLY HIGH HEADED pharisees
who seeks a sign / proof / evidence ?
why do you seek after a sign?

ok, go on.. seek for more signs!.. hahaha..
cmon, ask for a sign!
because it seems this is what this generation is all about..
pharisees like you seeking signs! hahahaha
have a nice day pharisees........ LOL!

i think a sign seeker would reply against my comment. :-)

(This was in reply to Judas, I can't seem to make the reply button work) I know this is a little late, as the original post was over 9 months ago, but Judas, you only answered half of Michael's question. You dismissed his challenge of the "Spirit of New Yorklessness" by saying that the Holy Spirit would never testify of something that wasn't true, so how then can you both believe that the Holy Ghost has testified that your beliefs are true when those beliefs are competing?
In other words, he believes that the Book of Mormon is not divinely inspired and that the Holy Ghost has testified that traditional Christianity is the one true religion, while you believe that the Book of Mormon is divinely inspired and that the Holy Ghost has testified that the Latter-Day Saints hold to the one true religion. Obviously the Holy Spirit has not testified to both of you two competing world views, so one of you is being misled by your feelings. The only way to really determine the truth of your testimony is to test the real evidence given by the information that you both hold as (more or less) factual: history and the Bible. Since you both believe in the Bible (to some extent) and you both believe in history (at least I hope), then whichever religion that both the Bible and the archeological evidence points to as correct is correct.
You can not let your feelings decide the truth for you, as your feelings have already misled one of you, you must use the evidence. Based on what I have studied, from the Bible and the historical record, I'd side with Michael, but you may disagree Judas, so you need to find the Biblical and historical evidence that supports your belief.

This is the best video of truth I have ever seen. I cried through some of this video. I cannot imagine how the gentlemen presenting this video had felt when advising of the falsehood of this church. Knowing they were/are members and believed with every facet of their being in Mormonism. No one can contest the history of someones past...especially ones history that did not exist.

I pray with all my heart and soul that many will gain much and soon be believers in the One true Lord, Jesus Christ, Son of the Father. I feel deep sorrow for those that have been raised (brainwashed) Mormon and were in need (feeling sorrow and loneliness) at the time they were taught the Book of Mormon as the true word of the Lord.

What this means to me...is that we as Christians have failed to be evangelists in the same manner of which the Mormons have been evangelists. I know I will no longer hide from my true faith in what I know to be true and untrue. I will speak out just as many Mormons have spoken out against me, my church and my faith.

The way of the Mormons is to speak down, negate and demean the rest of us, to make us feel like we don't have true FAITH. They want us to fear their word as it has been taught.

They (the corporation) have a lot to lose if they do not continue to instill FEAR in the rest of us....the followers. Which will then eliminate the tithings they force you into paying....which would ultimately eliminate Church.

Those defending Mormonism (which don't have a lot to lose) are naive and have never truly questioned their own. Remember: If one wants to believe they will only question those that will give us that answer.

One God, One Bible, One Faith! Enough said!

I think this is a bunch of crap. Why dont you look at all the evicence and not just the evidence that fits into your argument. I am a proud Mormon and I know that it is true. The Book of Mormon is true. In order to know it is true you have to have an open heart and be willing to accept the answer you get from the Holy Ghost. If you go into reading something with a negative attitude and your mind made up, there is no way you will feel the spirit. I have a good relationship with Jesus and I feel that attending Mormon church services has helped me build that relationship.

They ARE looking at all the evidence! What are they leaving out?

man you deny clear fact..Just like a mormon they dont care if their worshipping satan as long as they feel good.

satan worshipers? yeah right..

in your dreams kid.................
LOL

These videos have helped me so much in understand how to address issues about Mormonism.

As I read your arguments on the topic I start to wonder who could be telling the truth. As for my knowledge about the Mormons, I find that the faithful members to a good example of a righteous living. They believe in God as much as any other religion. They are taught good principles from both the Book of Mormon and the Bible. In this video we are being convinced that physical evidences from archaeologist (science will prove the authenticity of the books. As Christians we are being taught that our beliefs must be founded on faith not on any evidence provided by science. Science does not prove any thing about the truth of a religion. A simpler explanation would be that science cannot site any facts or study on the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. That is beyond their knowledge and comprehension.So if you try to prove the authenticity of the Gospel through science you're out of your mind. the simple definition of faith should be considered in one's understanding of the gospel. Besides you cannot disprove anybody's belief because you think you are right. The power of healing can be experienced by anyone who exercise a true faith, I mean sincere faith no matter what religion you belong to. That's a gift we receive from God because of our faith and not because we belong to a certain sect or religion. The Lord works on a higher level that only those worthy can comprehend. Not any intellectual abilities, or not any degree in science will be a ticket in understanding the things of the Lord. It will be revealed to those who exercise faith in Him. You might want to consider this truth.

Now thats what i called an honest and unbiased comment from a sincere man.

thank you brother for your words are clear.

You place too much trust in the arm of flesh. You seem to think that if a "scholar" says something that we must listen to them. I don't place a lot of trust in scholars. The reason is that the Bible itself says that there will be those who are "ever learning and never able to come to a knowledge of the truth." Do you believe the Bible then?

I also don't trust the scholars just because they have big degrees of learning, because there are many who have done that and who also espouse and teach that we came from monkeys, etc., saying that evolution is a fact, etc., when the Bible teaches how man came to be by the power of God in placing Adam and Eve, our first parents, in the Garden of Eden to start the human race. You see, we have these conflicts with the theories of men and the words of God. Science and "scholars" also don't have any explanation for the Great Flood, and so they teach that it did not happen. I suppose that they also teach that Jesus did not walk on water because it too is impossible. Who is silly? Me? Wake up man, you quote the same old TIRED anti mormon quotes in your response to me. Wake up and use your logic against these scholars, that is, unless you too do not even believe the bible.

That is a really sad cope out, simply dismissing something because you " don't trust scholars" does not address one argument in the video. If the video is false then let the LDS produce something that refutes it point by point.

more approvals?
The evidences for the Bible in the shape or form of archaeology is weak at best. It is not the best course to pave, to encourage people down this path of physical evidences. This is because so much of what Jesus Christ did is not provable in any way by archaeology. Walking on water, turning water to wine, healing the sick, and rising from the dead, all can NOT be proven in any way by science.
The video talks about the unprovable war between Nephites and Lamanites at Cumorah, but does not mention the unprovable event where TWICE as many people (2,000,000) made an exodus from Egypt into a wilderness and ate manna for 40 years. Where are all the skeletons of those people? Where are all the chariots and skeletons of horses and men who were in Pharoh's army who were swallowed up in Red Sea when it closed on them? There is NO EVIDENCE.
So? The Bible is STILL true. Same with Book of Mormon.

You speak as an unlearned man.Your rebuttal is silly and childish.You just watched a rather comprehensive video showing a clear comparison between the two books.You saw the comments by many scholars of anthropology and archaeology and world and religious history, including some LDS members orformer LDS members in these fields, from some of the most prestigious universities in the world. No intellegent person can ignore such facts, and information as you just did, and not be caused to pause, and reconsider their position. This indicates that your thinking process is seriously flawed. My purpose is not to offend you, but to reason with you for the sake of your lost soul. Jesus commands me to love you and all Mormans, and I do but you break my heart when you slander him, as you and your church do. You make Him out to be a liar and show Him such disrespect when you compare The Book of Morman( a book of fiction) on the same level as His Holy Word, The Holy Bible.
I urge you to come to know the real Jesus who loves you and will offer you salvation and eternal life if you will only believe in him, no works required on your part. you are saved by his Grace through Faith Alone! I will Pray for you that God will open your eyes and cause you to see the truth before it is too late.
So stop with the weak and unintellegent arguments and don't continue to embarrass yourself before the world as so many in your church are doing. You are choosing to be blinded by your stubborn pride to the detriment of your soul.

You place too much trust in the arm of flesh. You seem to think that if a "scholar" says something that we must listen to them. I don't place a lot of trust in scholars. The reason is that the Bible itself says that there will be those who are "ever learning and never able to come to a knowledge of the truth." Do you believe the Bible then?

I also don't trust the scholars just because they have big degrees of learning, because there are many who have done that and who also espouse and teach that we came from monkeys, etc., saying that evolution is a fact, etc., when the Bible teaches how man came to be by the power of God in placing Adam and Eve, our first parents, in the Garden of Eden to start the human race. You see, we have these conflicts with the theories of men and the words of God. Science and "scholars" also don't have any explanation for the Great Flood, and so they teach that it did not happen. I suppose that they also teach that Jesus did not walk on water because it too is impossible. Who is silly? Me? Wake up man, you quote the same old TIRED anti mormon quotes in your response to me. Wake up and use your logic against these scholars, that is, unless you too do not even believe the bible.

I will endeavor to address your comments in the chronological order in which you presented them. #1 I try to never put my trust in man, I only trust in God alone, God and Jesus are one. However we all will find it necessary from time to time to seek out those that are more knowledgeable than ourselves, in certain areas of expertise. Otherwise how would we ever improve our knowledge and intellectual understanding?Where would you and I be as to the education we have received from our schools and universities without scholars? I agree with you that we need to always be sceptical, and not just accept things on face value, but do our own due dilligence before deciding what is true. When I needed open heart surgery two years ago, to have 5 bypasses done, I had to decide very carefully, who were the most knowledgeable and skilled heart surgeons that I could rely on. when I was raising show horses a few years back I purchased Only the ones with the best pedigrees behind them. The same with choosing which scolars and experts to believe and rely on, I try to choose the ones with the best reputation and pedigrees.
The scripture that you quoted from 2 Timothy 3:7 has nothing to do with acidemic scholars. Paul is speaking to Timothy there, admonishing him to beware of corrupt religious leaders and false teachers, evil men, who put on the outward appearance of reverence for God but, use it to deceive and to prey upon the week and the widows, and warning him to turn away or have nothing to with them. You might want to study this whole passage of scripture of 2 Timothy 3:1 through 3:9. It is a very important lesson addressing the very subject that we are discussing. Unfortunately you have used 3:7 totaly out of context and therefore, failed to make your point. I would love to discuss this this passage of scripture with you at length sometime and perhaps, I could help you to better understand it.
You ask if I believed the Bible the answer is an unqualified and resounding YES! I read from the King James version and believe every word in it for it is Gods Holy Word. It has been scrutenized,tested and examined more than any book in the world down through the ages and has always stood the test.There is verifiable proof of people and places by by early manuscripts eye wittnesses and independent historical documents and historians at least from the first century on. there is over 5,000 early manuscripts. It has been watched over closely by the Holy Spirit of God down through the centuries as to the accuracy of its translations. Can the same be said for The Book OF Morman? I think Not.
I agree with you, that there is a lot of junk science out there, and ignorant and arrogant men who claim to be wise and call themselves scientist, continuely trying to foist their foolish Ideas and Theories onto the populas as truth. The trouble with this is they are proveable and verifiable by their own measuring standards which they have developed to prove themselves right. However, I certainly thank God for the sientist that he has given to help make the wonderful descoveries in the field of medicine, biochemicals, technology, energy space and many more. I certainly do not subscribe to Darwin's theory on The Origin of Man. I do not believe in the theroy of evolution at all. I fully and literally believe in the creation story as described in the book of Genisis of God's word. In Romans 1:22-23 God's Word tells us that " Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the Glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man. I find it a bit amusing how you seem to dance around the creation story, by using the phrase how man came to be by the power of God in placing Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. Why don't you just say the truth according to God's word, He formed man from the dust of the ground and he created him in his own image.He took a rib from Adams body and ceated Eve and placed them in the Garden on the sixth day. Before that day they did not exist. They were not brought from another planet.the Bible does not say that that God produced them with some heavenly mother. Adam is not God as was taught in the LDS church up untill recent times.I think you and I both know God's word does not teach these things,so who made them up?
Lets be clear I never said you were silly I said your rebuttal was silly and I am sorry if you took offence.
Please I beseach you Come to know the real Jesus of The Bible and put your faith in him and turn away from these false doctirns and let him save your poor soul. Gordon B. Henkley says he does not believe in the Jesus of the Bible. Choose this day who you will believe, Jesus Christ of the Bible or these misguided church leaders. I am praying that you will choose Christ.

Typical anti-Mormonism rhetorical propaganda. Over emphasizing the Biblical evidence, while virtually ignoring the significant problems with Bible on one hand then ignoring the supporting evidence of the Book of Mormon while Over emphasizing the BoM problems on the other. Many time this appears to be done disingenuously.

Biblical archaeology isn't without its challenges, but it is replete with real confirmations of actual Biblical places, dates, and names.

There isn't one single conclusive confirmation for the Book of Mormon. Not one.

So it's hard to compare/contrast the two without it coming across as a dramatic difference.

But there IS one single confirmation for the Book of Mormon. It is the Holy Ghost. That single confirmation for me paved the road. I did not come to know the Book of Mormon is true by all of the overwhelming evidences of Mayan culture, etc., but by the power of God and the importance of the words IN the book, which is what really matters, isn't it?
I mean, you can't prove the Bible is true by looking at say, archaeology. It is just so lacking outside of a FEW city names like Jerusalem. Well, the Book of Mormon also mentions Jerusalem as the city of Lehi and his family, so? This proves nothing, city names.
What proves things is when Moroni 10:3-5 is followed, and one prays about it in FAITH, and then they get an answer in the affirmative if they are sincere. I love ALL scripture, because it is all true.
http://www.youtube.com/mormona...

I'm sorry. Archaeology IS important to know if it is really there and so on as the video shows. If it's not there then it's false while everything we found in Jerusalem is true. What does that tell you? I believe the Lord let them discover this truth to realized it doesn't exist therefore I'm not convinced with the book of Mormon. So, Mormon is exposed with greater hoax, period! No Archaeology finds then no truth. Simple as that.

Thinking Human.  I have to ask how you disprove a false religion?

Here is a problem I have with your method for confirmation. My testimony is that I daily walk with the Lord and He confirms to me through the working of the Holy Ghost that historical Biblical Christianity is true, which thereby excludes all other worldviews including Mormonism. I will not even deny that we might both be having real spiritual experiences. Mine are very real, and yours could be too. So how are we to determine who is really hearing from the Holy Ghost?

What would you suggest? Let me suggest that a test of knowledge gained by spiritual experience can be made by seeing which matches the best with the observable physical world is one way in which we might be able to at find out if a belief has any relationship with other things that multiple people can know.

Let me give you an example. If someone claimed that the Holy Ghost told them that New York did not exist, we could take that person to New York to confirm that it does in fact exist. The person may chose to still believe his spiritual experience rather than his physical experience, but others at least could reasonably conclude that he is either not hearing from the Holy Ghost or the Holy Ghost is lying to him.

Is this a reasonable test? Could it help determine between our different experiences with the Holy Ghost?

you are very stupid...why would you try to use your human mind to think in the way of the Holy Ghost...if you think that by giving an example of the Holy Ghost would tell someone a stupid answer, like the one you would force into the question. first of all, the Holy Ghost testifies of Jesus Christ, and Heavenly Father, also it testifies of the Truth of them, and their Word....now if you think that he is willing to stand by that testimony...why in Heaven and on earth would he give a crap answer like that???...lets use your stupid example.if the Holy Ghost did answer that question, then his testimony would then be void, and you and anyone else could not trust his testimony....so remember before you can think like a God, remember that you are still human, and you have to think in the way that makes sense, even to yourself.

  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;  19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man,- Romans 1:18-23

“We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see. These are incomprehensible ideas to some, but they are simple. It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the Character of God, and to know that we may converse with him as one man converses with another, and that he was once a man like us; yea, that God the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did, and I will show it from the Bible” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp.345-346. Italics in original).
I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see. … It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the character of God and to know...that he was once a man like us.... (“King Follett Discourse,” Journal of Discourses 6:3-4, also in Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 345-346, and History of the Church, vol. 6, 305-307, emphasis added)